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Mitch Girio's Music Blog
Mitch Girio's Music Blog
Apr 14th
The score 1 – 0 for me. Last week, the contestant tried stealing a trombone along with my volume of Walt Whitman. Thanks to the trombone being so awkward to take through the door while carrying a bag of my books (Walt Whitman being the heaviest) they lost their point when they were stopped before leaving the building.
Anyone else nutty enough to try?
The Josiah record is in mid wrap-up. Hard to believe, I know, but Richard G. Benoit has mastered the tracks and sequenced them. I did receive a phone call from J. about possibly redoing the chorus to one of the songs. Not sure if he’ll go the distance with that one, but I may be spending a couple of hours working on it further before the week is out.
In the middle of mixing Thundermonks right now. The Outbred Inlaws are getting their CD mastered this week and then it’s Hear, Comes The Cavalry on the bench to be mixed.
Richard recommended that I put up mirrors so I can keep my eye on my clients while I work. Is that going too far?
Apr 6th

Plan Of Action - The Kingpins
Plan Of Action – The Kingpins
Most bands naturally evolve in some way. Often what they are listening to at that time will greatly colour their musical choices. Usually these changes are made with a disdainful dismissal of their previous work, as if what they are into now could only be relevant so long as they spit on whatever they were doing up till then. In the case of Plan Of Action, they felt that not changing would be betraying themselves and their fans.
The Kingpins had become the best version of what they were (the Let’s Go To Work band) not too long before. I had witnessed the best show I’d seen them play up until that point at The Rivoli in Toronto. Their grooves were thick and relaxed as they pulsed through a pretty strong catalog. We were joking after the set about hatching plans for various theme EPs of trad ska, Biblical ska, Asian ska…etc… and then I didn’t hear much from the band.
Paddy Walsh, who was the lead singer most of the songs and one of the main songwriters, had left the group and was replaced by JFK from Winnipeg. Then Bobby Beaton, the other half of the songwriting front with his distinctive guitar tone retreated from the band without a word to reform The Gruesomes. The band had recorded about 16 songs as pre-production which comprised mostly of JFK material as well as 2 Beaton numbers (which were as solid as any of his previous Kingpins contributions). Overall, it was different in tone, but still sat in the retro pocket they had occupied for so long, touching on some early ska, as well as other sixties touchstones. The material needed weeding through and some additional writing, but I was already envisioning sixties throwback sound. I was going to find out how to get those sixties sounds and push the band further into that place, and one thing was for sure, Lorraine Muller had to have more songs to sing. She had jumped up to the front on the previous recording, but there was little evidence of her voice on the demo CD.
My trip to Montreal put the brakes on all that. Jordan Swift (Kingpins bassist, Stomp Records co-founder) took me out for drinks and laid out his plan while he got very drunk on cheap draft. Jordan felt that the band was settling into a group that “covered” itself, like impostors pretending that nothing had happened. He felt it was time to push the band into a different direction, drawing more on the late 70s and 80s and infusing those influences into their ska. To him it made sense to take from what made the current Kingpins excited instead of trying to re-create the Beaton or Walsh version (unconvincingly, he added). So we agreed to meet a week later in Montreal with new material and see where it went from there.
This is where I became a songwriting contributor for the Kingpins. I brought in 5 songs. The words were mostly gibberish, but I had sketched out melodies, chord changes, some drum/ bass roughs…etc… we took it from there. JFK was not present for most of the 5 weeks we spent in pre-production. He was stuck in Winnipeg and it was difficult getting a commitment from him with regards to his return. He eventually made it back before we were to record the beds. His place in the band was a strange one. He was essentially Paddy’s replacement. A male presence in the band. During that last week of prep I asked JFK what his plans were and he told me that he would stay if the record did well, but that he had his own thing going. At that point, I felt we should tackle the issue with everyone. My feeling was that JFK should not be present on the CD as a band member because Lorraine was already on almost every song and she should take the position as lead singer. This made some of the members queasy including Lo, who was very reluctant to occupy that position. It was impossible for them to think of the band without a male singer. To me, it was a more focused approach to stick solely with Lo and avoid future trouble with an already turbulent lineup. Then there was the songwriting issue. We agreed (everyone except JFK) to split the original material with each other to help create feeling of mutual investment. JFK took issue with this as he had 2 original songs in the running and didn’t want to share them. Honestly, I think it’s perfectly fine for a songwriter to keep their royalties and credit untouched, but the split was there again and I know he took issue with it later. Enough of this, here’s the record.
1. Plan Of Action – This is a song by The Shambles (B. Mendoza). It was our call to action. Eric Boom Boom Boulanger (drummer) selected this song. We used a cut from the Portuguese radio broadcast of the ‘74 revolution. I had it on vinyl and we were looking for interesting sounds to sprinkle throughout the record. To make the drums come alive, Claus Frostell (engineer) got us to track them upstairs in the studio owner’s apartment loft.
Plan Of Action is a straight cover, but it suited Lo’s voice so well it was hard to pass up. She managed to blow her voice on the numerous scream takes.
2. Designated Driver – like a number of the songs, we pulled ideas from our lives. I was inspired by Lo’s “mother hen” position in the band. If you know the Kingpins (and there were many of them) you’d know that they could be a needy bunch. Lo was always there to look after her family, sometimes to the point of wearing her out completely. I started there when writing about this long night out.
The B section came while working on the Mad Bombers’ CD in Edmonton. A little nod to Split Enz in there. Love the Farfisa (played by JFK).
3. L’Aventurier – this one (by Indochine) was fresh for me, but to everyone in the French community it was as familiar as the air they breathed. The chorus of the song is a weird shift that bends the ear. The Kingpins were so enthusiastic about doing this, I think it bubbled over into the recording. We took a more direct approach (different decade), less reverb, a little more in your face, but we were careful to include sweeping and pulsing synths, handclaps (real ones) and a flanger effect for good measure.
Online, I’ve read both damning and praise for this version. Happy it provoked some kind of reaction.
4. Sick Valentino – this was the first song I’d written for Lo’s voice. It was a delight trying to write material for her to sing, to even want to sing. Liam O’Neil on a lovingly out of tune upright piano.
5. Takin’ It Uptown – a JFK number from the original demo. Claus had him doing his vocal through a Sennheiser 421 microphone to bring out some more bite. This song also has J.B. Britton (Me, Mom and Morgentaler) on congas to keep it rolling forwards.
6. Matchbox – this song came directly from the band jamming in that first five weeks, the music came fairly easy. I love listening to Josh Fuhrman popping out those sax riffs like he’s breathing them. It sounds effortless, but always exciting. I played the guitar parts for the most of the CD (except for the JFK songs), but there were times (like this solo) when we had to bring in the bigger guns. That job was left to Simon Angell (Patrick Watson band) and he had to endure contradictory instructions as I attempted to make him play something that at the time must have felt counter-intuitive to him. In the end I was very happy with the double tracked solo using purposefully missed notes played at an intense pace and ending in my detuning his strings as we recorded.
The lyrics were tough to make fit. Jordan had reference points he wanted touched on, but we only had 8 verse lines in which to encapsulate that period scenester history. The first line about John Hughes junkies was a nod to Lo. I think Breakfast Club is still up there for her. Can’t help but roll my eyes and laugh.
7. Bordel – the second French song and this one was spearheaded mostly by Lo. She had the initial chord change and we went from there. While working on it together we managed to come up with the B section. I remember being there and working on the lyrics well into the night. I just can’t remember how I was of any help with the French. I think I mostly nodded my head while she worked it out.
We wanted to get Jean LeLoup to do the Chorus. Thinking it would be perfect for his voice. It was not to be, but we did get Marc-Andre Pilon to stroll in and deliver this bizarrely creepy vocal. He was the devil himself. In the intro we used a synth that Claus brought in. One of the many flavours that Lo teased me about on this record. She does a great impersonation of it if you’d ever care to hear it.
8. The Main – this is Josh’s contribution. A great chance to relax. Some nice turn arounds and an opportunity to bring out some more traditional touches, like the upright piano rhythms. Brought in some more horns – Josh arranged them for the record. One of my favourites on the CD.
9. Goes A Little Like This – another JFK song with a great groove from Eric and Jordan. As this was mixed away from the band (Sound Of One Hand in Ottawa) so I never got the ok from JFK for the copious tape echo that we got from the 1/4″ one track machine. I was excited to include DJ Aerosol on this CD. Lo had more to talk about especially with how underused he was. I was only looking for something to push the song forward and accent, much like a cabasa would be implemented. And that was what he gave us. Not a feature or solo part, but a simple stab here and there that was part of the rhythm section. I’m on the defensive , ha!
10. Consequence – true story involving love, betrayal and dismemberment (or partial removal of the male privates). The details are too lurid to get into, but it’s a Mississauga story that deserves a song. We did it as a duet – JFK playing the victim of said injury, Lo singing the part of the disgruntled partner whose sense of justice was sharp enough to make a grown man wince. I kept the details vague. JFK’s verses were written the morning of the session in an inspired (albeit close call) burst of … duty.
In the video for this song, Josh fills in for JFK as he had left the band by that point.
11. All The World’s A Cage – this is a song by Adam “Bix” Berger (Me, Mom and Morgentaler). We took this opportunity to lean in another direction. Eric programmed the beat which we tracked using several sources at my home on a Fostex reel to reel machine. I brought it in and we dumped it to 24 track 2″ and built the track from there. This is the only song I played bass on. We used a very small amp for both guitar and bass with Josh playing his sax as quietly as he could manage.
12. End Of The Parade – this was meant to be another duet with Lo and JFK. It was too difficult to pull that together so we went for it as a Lo number. This was about the end of the Kingpins and everything else. This features a wonderful sax/ guitar break played by Josh and Simon. Claus’ synth returns in the chorus – don’t get Lo started! We filtered the part through a Moog at Sound Of One Hand and that’s where the squishy loop came from – thanks to Martin Longden (Furnaceface). Martin also brought in the stereo spring reverb just for our mixes. What a guy.
13. Supernova – these lyrics were inspired by a stalker that had indirectly come in to Lo’s life. I wish some of these songs were as vivid as the stories I was treated to by all the band members. Regardless, this song returns the record to the tone of the first track. Eric at his heaviest like he’s going punch a hole through his skins.
Recorded in 2 weeks in Montreal, mixed in Ottawa.
recorded and mixed by Claus Frostell.
Apr 5th
I’ve got a moment to reflect on the power of 3. Spent the last 3 days recording and mixing The Outbred Inlaws. And there you have it. The album is done. They will take it to master, but my job is pretty much done. Leading up to this session they we rehearsing an average of 3 to 4 nights a week. They value a streamlined approach, they’re a band that believes in consistency and balk at distraction. This body of work is like drilling steadily for 24 minutes (the length of the CD) and only letting up at the last beat of the last song. Perfection.
Here’s another testimony about the number 3.
Mar 31st
Thanks for the mail. The Triops is doing fine. A little buttery right now. Apparently you don’t have to restrict it to pellet food. Tiny bits of vegetable matter or even something like… shrimp, for example. Kind of like sitting down at a restaurant to eat monkey, if you ask me, but hell, they’d eat each other given the chance. To be clear, the Triops is really small. A. gave him a little piece of shrimp. Unfortunately, it was left over from our meal and had been marinated in a delicious butter/ garlic sauce. Great for us, but in the morning I did see the oily globs floating on the surface of his tank – tray more like it. For a moment I thought, yikes, I should change the water, poor…guy-thingy, but then I smartened up and thought, if he goes out in a buttery mess, so be it. Should the Earth be invaded by crustacean beings from the outer regions of our galaxy and round us up for a butter/ garlic marinade then my only response can be, “figures.”
Onto more pressing matters. As I have never owned a Hammond organ until about a year ago, I didn’t realize that it would require an annual “oiling” – but hey, it does! And I wouldn’t blame you for thinking that I could use any old oil. But no, Hammonds only use Hammond oil. I ordered mine from St. Catharines, ON. And so, now it is oiled, both in the motor funnels and the generator. You would think that the bearing “squealing” would be done, but no, apparently it’s a slow ooze into the mechanical workings and can take up to 2 weeks to get to the necessary parts. 2 weeks! Your next guess would probably be right on the money. The friggin’ Hammond must have been designed by a watch maker!
Bingo. Celebrate with a half-price dish of battered shell fish at any conveniently located Red Lobster. 
Mar 23rd
Well, work, really. But I’ve been getting some e-mails about how I spend all my Blog time talking about Triops or some other useless crustaceans. I don’t want to get into any debates on the legitimacy of a life form that looks as repulsive as the Triops so I’ll just outline some work high lights from the last week and a bit.
Recorded a radio ad for the Obsidian Theatre co. Morgan Doctor provided the percussion, whirlwind session, which, oddly enough, was followed by a radio interview edit for Nik Beat. After that I began my first day of work on the Thundermonks EP. We recorded beds that weekend, I got to use my new pre-amp/ limiter. Very happy. Thanks to Lo who brought it down from Montreal when she played here with Les Handclaps (great set as usual). I have officially begun mixing Josiah’s record. I can’t believe we’re here. You have no idea. Had an amazing string session (cello/ violin) for the Hear, Comes The Cavalry record. A challenging arrangement by front man, Liam Kearney – he may deny it, but it was juicy. Rehearsed with Kirsten Jones for her upcoming CD release show. Played guitar in Prince Perry’s band for the Aquabats’ show at The Mod club. Began work on a one song recording, on location to record a grand piano for singer, Lina. Going to be a beautiful production. Then continued more Thundermonks with horns, vocals, percussion, and handclaps – can’t go wrong there.
Today, was a half day of final touches on 2 songs of mine. Older recordings, added some tambourine, typewriter, mellotron samples and backing vocals, then I e-mailed the tracks to Richard G. Benoit to master and had them back by dinner.
Mar 18th
Busy, yes. Approaching the end of the Hear, Comes The Cavalry record, ready to pick up where we left off on the Expos project and just started the Thundermonks this past weekend. Picked up some new gear, rehearsing with Kirsten Jones and playing shows with Prince Perry (again!), scheduling around construction elsewhere in our building, trying to plan some sort of vacation this summer, and busy raising a lone triops. What?
This.
And to be a little clearer.
Mar 9th

Morgan Doctor - Other Life
Morgan Doctor – Other Life (Aporia Records)
This is the second CD that I got to work on for Morgan. The first was almost strictly a mixing job, this was a little more involved. Like the first, the sources for the tracks came from everywhere, Morgan collaborated with so many players, recording them in unlikely places, editing and organizing the parts and then handing them over so we could go through more of that process.
THERE WERE HORSES – this was mostly a mixing job with some minor editing. Clara Engel on vocals singing words from a found text. This one is a little more electronic in tone, but there are a number of percussion instruments to keep this from feeling too stiff. I’ve had the pleasure of working on several Clara Engel projects so this was a lot of fun to pull together.
COME SMILING BACK – a collaboration between Morgan, Ben Leinbach and Benjy Wertheimer. Like a lot of pieces on this CD, the trick for Morgan was to balance having so many colours without weighing down the track or the groove.
LIVE AGAIN – this one came with a guide bass track from Morgan for me to record over. We tracked that at my old place, The Electrical Room and added the Mellotron flutes at the Slaughterhouse. This is one of three co-writes with Tamara Williamson on this CD. Morgan has played with Tamara for years so it was interesting to hear them collaborating in this way.
SILVER CITY – an instrumental piece featuring string parts by Karen Graves and Alex Grant with plenty of backwards piano, treated audio clips, and electric and acoustic piano. I believe this is one of several songs that have drums that were recorded at The Electrical Room when Morgan was in the early stages of the project. I played bass on this one also.
SHOW ME HOW – on this one (another co-write with Tamara). We recorded 2 bass parts before mixing. One is an arpeggiated bit (panned left) to counter a more solid line (panned right). We programmed a simple filtered drum loop to plop along with the acoustic drums.
REBEL – this one started out very different when I received the tracks from Morgan. The featured instrument was completely different. I think it was a found clip that was dropped into the piece, but never quite fit. We discussed using another lead instrument and came up with Christine Bougie on lapsteel as an answer. I’ve enjoyed recording Christine on several records, The Expos, Emma-Lee and some demos with Kirsten Jones. With ease she was able to help shape the piece into something cohesive.
A MOMENT TO GO – this was the first one that I worked on with Morgan. The process of mixing this taxed my older system. I’ve since switched to another computer/ another program to avoid the compromising that I had to deal with in order to accommodate the amount of tracks that I was given. Making sub-mixes of certain groups was tricky as Morgan was making subtle changes over an extended period. Many of the tracks were shaped over many sessions.
STARS – this began as a jam that I recorded in Morgan’s rehearsal space with Chris Gartner on bass. Near the final stage, I added bass for the chorus section. Another wonderful track featuring Tamara’s beautiful voice.
THIS DAY IS DONE – another drum track from the earlier Electrical Room session and my final bass part for this CD. This features a sparkling guitar line from Nina Martinez.
NAMSAN SUNRISE – This one was tricky for me as we mixed it in Cubase in a session that Morgan had started. I usually prefer mixing from scratch instead of parachuting into someone else’s session. We spent a good portion of time working on the sound of the vocal sample which was recorded by Morgan on location while she was abroad. When I listen to it now, I enjoy hearing the shift in tone from using a different software with another set of tools.
THE PASSING – on this one, Morgan, did some work with Paul Swoger-Ruston, a long time musical collaborator of mine and a good friend. Like a lot of the record, it was a joy to work with tracks from a lot of familiar musicians. I particularly enjoy the point (at about one third through) when the song shifts into a sadder tone.
BETTER PERSON – this track ends the record with more drone than the rest that evolves into a slow pulse – all sounding very slow-mo. And along with the rest of the record, this was one that I had to sit on, listening to the raw tracks repeatedly to find the focal point, or like Perry Gladstone says, the through-line. In someways, the drones are a bit more of a challenge. Although there were moments of delusion when I thought that I could do whatever my imagination felt was right, I would often get a thoughtful reminder that the real vision for this record was Morgan’s and she always steered it right.
Feb 15th

Kirsten Jones - Drive-In Movie
Kirsten Jones – Drive-In Movie (Maple Music 2005)
This album has had quite the journey. It began with heartbreak – not mine, mind you, and experienced at least one rebirth. I was introduced to Kirsten through our friend Paul Swoger-Ruston (who was also involved on this record). We had done some light recording at Jim English’s studio in Elora and then at Paul’s apartment in Toronto, but the project really began at my house with a meeting in the living room. Kirsten played us some songs on her acoustic and then we sifted through more material to fill out the list. Here, Kirsten chose Back To The Playground and Crumbs from my catalog. Both were demos done in the ska style and had to be altered greatly.
From here we prepped some guide tracks based on some references. What we didn’t realize was that we would have to re- imagine a lot of the numbers until we got it “right.” I don’t know if I want to go into those reference tracks, but let’s just say Kirsten’s tastes were broad and it would be a matter of trial and error before she planted her artistic roots. Make any sense?
We recorded the drums with Craig Lapsley in Ancaster at his cabin. With little guidance he blew through the songs in single takes marking the different sections with ease as if he’d been playing them for quite some time. After that we started the process of building the tracks. At the time, I was recording at home and there were great limitations, but with patience the songs took shape. We tried things out, for I Found You, I had Kirsten sing while lying down on the floor to push her to use more of her throat. We got to experiment with doubling/ tripling on Shadows and Lethargy. Somewhere along the line we came to a bump. Songs like Crumbs and Need You were sitting on muscular rhythm tracks and Kirsten was figuring out where she didn’t want to take the songs. I think the only reason Back To The Playground kept it’s Motown beat was due to outside opinions. So we stripped down the other two to guitar and voice, building only lightly (strings on Crumbs).
At this point, Kirsten wrote Bittersweet Grand Canyon, bringing clarity to what really got this record going in the first place. We created a version using some drum programming to build on.
Well, the process went on, chipping away until we had taken it as far as we thought it should go.
Then there’s the next phase, which is the record that most people know. Kirsten and I spoke when she secured a deal with Maple to re-release the record and decided to use this opportunity to make the album reflect who Kirsten was at that moment – or get it closer, anyway.
Bittersweet Grand Canyon – We scratched the original version, rented a pair of Neve pre-amps and a U-87 and tracked it in a day. Kirsten and I played the main guitars, percussion (tambourine skin) and Paul took the solo. Here, we capture the tone that we were looking for, both in the audio and the performance.
Shadows – Craig’s original brush kit tracks remained. The doubled vocals were blended more subtly. Paul on lapsteel bridge, Mary Simon on backing vocals.
I Found You – this would fall in the group songs wouldn’t get played live. Too muscular, too pop, but it does showcase some range. My biggest contribution would be creating the Beach Boys bridge with Paul. A fun exercise, but it came together when Kirsten made it sound “right.”
Lethargy – this is really Paul’s song. I wrote most of the second verse (lyrics), but it was only a variation on the first. Here we were able to create real atmosphere using the very light touches, ending with mellotron strings and tremolo guitar.
Need You – this would be the third version of the song. Live, it would go through more drastic changes. This was part of the Neve sessions that we did for BGC. Paul added the electric guitar. Again, this got closer to the Kirsten’s original intent. Added touches were electric organ bass, tremolo bass (faking a baritone guitar) and my best attempt at a backing vocal.
Back To The Playground – Kirsten helped restructure some of the lyrics so that it didn’t drop into that dark place that most of my songs end up going. I can hear her smile which is something I love about Kirsten, mind you, she usually makes me cry.
You Don’t Feel – the Maple release was a good opportunity to focus the mix so that the parts glued together a little more. This one features a lovely third take on the pedal steel by Steve Halloran, giving the track scope and darkness, seemingly effortless.
Might Have Been – Dave Azzolini added a loopy guitar line to the head which lifted the section. Kirsten’s layered vocals are delicious.We used the original mix for this one.
Crumbs – this is the stripped down version. This might be the original mix, too. Can’t remember. The violins were recorded at Kirsten’s apartment with Lindsey Hiiliard layering track after track. In the end, we just kept everything. She didn’t intend for us to use all the takes, but the parts connected beautifully.
So I’ll Tell You – our first try on this song was more of an atmospheric Lanois thing. In this version we peeled a bit of that away and pushed a more immediate approach. One of first songs that Kirsten ever wrote. I think.
Don’t Mind Me – this also went through some changes, but none that really altered the fact that it’s all about her vocal take. For a while this was her heart stopper at shows. She’s written quite a few more since this CD came out.
Put together on a shoe-string budget, this CD has proven to carry her all the way until now. Kirsten has more recently made an incredible record with Gary Louris (Jayhawks) and I had the honour of being a part of that, co-writing one song, playing bass and offering the occasional “mitch-a-chugga” guitar. What a pleasure.
Feb 5th
Things are heating up! Well, I’m here in a concrete bunker, selecting takes on what will be a challenging, but satisfying recording project when all is said…etc…
Reading Gone With The Wind at such a slow pace that I’ve calculated that it’ll take 5 months for me to complete. I’m at 100 pages and right in the middle of a country BBQ. I’m praying for civil war so I don’t have to read about Scarlet O’Hara’s dresses anymore. Unfortunately, I’m in the process of reading other books at home, so GWTW is restricted to transit trips. My question is does it get better? Anyone?
Recently, Kirsten Jones was given the nod in a Billboard article. She is in the planning stages for her CD release show. We recently finished a successful video shoot deep in the bowels of Slaughterhouse 754 where I’m typing from right…now.
Emma-Lee has just won an Independent Music Award in the best Love Song Category for Until We Meet Again. A song that will no doubt serve as the link between Never Just A Dream and whatever musical concoction she’s working on… now.
OK, this weekend I posted a number of King Apparatus clips, home-made music videos, live bits…etc… And here they all are. This is a band I used to be in. These were among the least embarrassing videos. I’m still sifting.
Jan 27th
People ask me questions all the time.
Mitch, did I sing in tune?
Mitch, did I play in time?
Mitch,do you think this is a hit song?
Mitch, what do you want in your tea?
Well, recently I was asked something that I CAN answer. What have you been reading? Let me tell you, I rounded off a great year consuming literature with The Book Of Negroes. After that I kicked off the New Year with Sense And Sensibility And Sea Monsters. Believe it or not, very different books. Recently finished Midnight Cowboy – I like reading about hustling now and then, but what do I do to match last year’s War And Peace marathon? Pulled out the big guns and started Gone With The Wind. I’m sure it could block a bullet if need be. I keep very close to my chest. Every book has a lip, the starter’s hump. How many pages? For me it’s usually about 30 – 75. If I can make it just over then I have no problem tearing through to the end. Not quite there with Magaret Mitchell’s epic. Right now it’s mostly giving me some exercise.
On the music front… finished off 2 weeks of Expos tracking. Will continue to sort through the takes to prepare for the next sessions in February. Some of them will be off on tour with The Cavaliers followed by an Expos Tour. Busy.
I’m coming closer to mixing time with Hear, Comes The Cavalry. Ooop, Josiah is here. Later.
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